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Postby Ruby » Mar 30, 2008 2:24 pm

Well, another year goes by, and most of my daffodils I planted last year have failed to come up. SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG!

I am in Zone 7b, Maple Ridge BC and every year, I plant the bulbs, and they seem to dissappear over the winter. I have no moles in my lawn, I plant with bonemeal, in well drained soil. I have been gardening since I was a little girl so, I am not a beginner.

Last year, I thought I would try something different, and I planted my bulbs in late March. They all came up, and it was AWESOME. I planted over 80 bulbs, all healthy and robust. This year, I have MAYBE 20.

Anyone have any idea what the dickens is going on? I see all my neighbors daffs coming up, but alas, there seems to be an invisible enemy on my side of the fence!!! Someone had mentioned that there could be some sort of bug that eats its way down the stem after the flower is spent, and thus eats the bulb over winter. This would certainly explain the mystery of the bulbs being NO WHERE in sight when I went digging around looking for them.
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Postby murphy » Mar 30, 2008 3:05 pm

I am anxious to hear also what others say on this one. I have a lovely stand of various dafs in my front yard that come back yearly but about three years ago I planted a hill in my back yard heavily with them and grape hyacinths. They were stunning the first spring but came back very sparsely the second year and then last year I think if got about three daffodils return. I just thought perhaps the hill had dried out to much over the summer months and the bulbs just died...or perhaps the soil was too acidic as this hill is shaded by a large oak tree during the summer and I use the leaves to mulch in the fall.
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Postby eileen zone7 » Mar 30, 2008 10:26 pm

Hi Ruby,
I am in zone 7a (delta) and have the same problem, I planted 50+ bulbs in each of 2 planters and one came up beautiful but the other not one plant. I dug down for bulbs but they were all gone. There is no trace of squirrels but in the corner of the planter is couple of holes and I am thinking voles. We have had a lot of trouble with them over the last couple of years.
Don't know what the answer is to eliminate them, tho!!
Good luck,
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Postby A Closet Canuck » Mar 31, 2008 9:16 am

I can't say why your bulbs don't come back but can share what I think goes wrong with mine.

Those planted anywhere near the root run of the maple often don't come back. So, it would seem, there is competition for nutrients and moisture over the summer. Grape hyacinths are a case in point; the number has dwindled over the years under the maple but has multipled under the birch.

Those planted in persistently moist soil often don't come back either, except for "Professor Eintstein" daffodils, which I read recently tolerate more moisture than others.

Those planted on a slope also have trouble making probably because of insufficient moisture. Large bulbs planted less than six inches deep also often don't come back. It is hard to plant bulbs deep enough on a slope.

Finally, those that can't get full sun don't prosper either. Books tell us that bulbs will grow under the canopy of plants that leaf out late; however, my experience has been that they will bloom but don't tend to multiply probably because the bulb foliage needs sunlight for the bulbs to ripen.

My best success is planting bulbs deeply in flat terrain with moisture-retentive but well-drained soil in full sun. This means, for me, during long dry spells in the summer that I water the areas where bulbs are planted so that the soil deep in the ground has some moisture.

Hope this helps!
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Postby Ruby » Mar 31, 2008 10:45 am

Thanks for the replies! I have a beautiful pot of mini dafs that are just loving it, on my front steps, so perhaps pots are the way to go? A neighbor told me that she plants her daffs in those 1 gallon nursery pots, and buries them in the soil. Once they are finished, she removes the pots, and places them out of site, beside her greenhouse. They get watered all through summer, and next spring, they start coming up, and into the ground they go again.
I too have issues with things not doing well under my maple tree. My Rhodos and azaleas thrive only because I feed them well and keep them constantly moist in the summer. Also, I seem to have luck with the primulas under there. But bulbs? Forget it. I have tried EVERYTHING, with no luck save for a clump of tulips that seem to defy the Maple!
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Postby Lizcordysmum » Mar 31, 2008 3:40 pm

Powell River, BC here...all of my bulbs (and all of my plants actually) have great competition from a maple, a birch, a plum, a cherry, an apple, SUMACS, Mountain ash, other trees, and many other shrub plantings...the first three aren't on my side of the fence. All bulbs come up nicely, year after year...I throw away muscari (my husb. rescues and plants other places...sometimes not where I want them. My favourite Rhodie must compete with the maple and other tall "shrubs"...the muscari and other bulbs do really great underneath the Rhodie.

No voles, so far...but I do find the number of daffs go down and I must plant more every 2nd year (I too am the kind to plant 50, 100...) Some are planted where drainage seems poor, some where it gets very dry.

I also plant lots of bulbs in ceramic and pottery containers...these are planted up in our mid fall, and soaked...go into the garage for winter protection (it isn't heated.)

I can NOT grow onions of any variety!
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Postby Sharon Bryson » Mar 31, 2008 5:42 pm

As mentioned above....one of the nasty intruders in Narcissus plantings can be the Narcissus Bulb Fly.
Here are a couple of links with quite nice info.
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswi ... susBulbFly

http://whatcom.wsu.edu/ag/homehort/pest/bulbflies.htm

Here is a page with strictly images.
http://www.insectimages.org/browse/subi ... m?SUB=7944

I, for one. have never been aware of setting eyes on the creatures, but we do have damage likely to be attributable to them.
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Postby Ruby » Mar 31, 2008 6:26 pm

Sharon Bryson wrote:As mentioned above....one of the nasty intruders in Narcissus plantings can be the Narcissus Bulb Fly.
Here are a couple of links with quite nice info.
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswi ... susBulbFly

http://whatcom.wsu.edu/ag/homehort/pest/bulbflies.htm

Here is a page with strictly images.
http://www.insectimages.org/browse/subi ... m?SUB=7944

I, for one. have never been aware of setting eyes on the creatures, but we do have damage likely to be attributable to them.


Thanks for that info...VERY informative. I think I may have seen this fly...and thought it was a bumble bee. Wretched little beastie! The thing is, when I have gone digging to see if the bulbs did indeed rot, there was NO SIGN of anything....its almost as if the bulbs vanished. Maybe I have the Pacific Northwest version of the Bermuda Triangle in my garden!
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Postby butterfly » Mar 31, 2008 6:40 pm

I never knew there was such a fly

I can't get the 3rd link to open



That is great info
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Postby Sharon Bryson » Apr 01, 2008 8:22 am

I can't get the 3rd link to open

Weird BF.....it works fine for me.
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